With different banking regulations and no FDIC protection, foreign banks bring additional risk that might outweigh the relative safety of CDs. Question: My wife and I are both unable to work and live on a fixed income. We supplement our income with interest from a 5.5% CD which matures this month. If we let the CD renew, the interest rate will be around 3.5%. I found a 6% CD at a bank in St. Vincent and the Grenadines, but I am somewhat leery of a foreign bank. What are your thoughts? –Alan Brady, Greensboro, North Carolina Answer: My first thought is of the movie version of “A Man for All Seasons,” which depicts the life of St. Thomas More, the scholar and author of “Utopia” who was beheaded for treason in 1535 for refusing to recognize Henry VIII as the supreme head of the Church of England. I’m thinking specifically of a scene at More’s trial in which More, played by the late actor Paul Scofield, confronts Richard Rich, who has perjured himself and betrayed More to secure the position of Attorney General of Wales. “Why Richard,” says More, “It profiteth not a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul. But for Wales?” What does this have to do with buying a CD from a bank in the Caribbean island nation of St. Vincent and the Grenadines? Well, it seems to me that you and your wife could be jeopardizing your financial security by taking extra risk with money that you clearly depend on. And for what? A couple of percentage points of annual return? I suppose it could all work out fine. But do you really want to subject this money to foreign banking rules and regulations? Do you even know what those regulations are? (I noticed that one bank in St. Vincent and the Grenadines that advertises U.S. dollar-denominated deposits won’t allow early withdrawals from some of its CDs.) And by moving your money outside the U.S. you’ll also be foregoing the protection of FDIC insurance, which means you’re relying solely on the solvency of the bank. Of course, the desire for a higher yield often leads us to overlook potential risks. But that doesn’t mean the risks aren’t there. If it sounds too good to be true…
Indeed, today we’re seeing thousands of people who are paying dearly after stretching for extra return in what they thought were “can’t lose” deals. Take the case of bank-loan mutual funds, which invest in variable-rate corporate loans and were touted as ways to earn higher returns than money-market funds without much extra risk. Investors who bought into that argument 12 months ago are now nursing losses of 7% or so. And how about investors who snapped up auction-rate preferred shares, investments that were marketed by closed-end funds and other issuers as a way to get safe high returns on your cash? Problem is, the auctions for these securities has dried up, leaving most investors unable to sell their shares for cash and investment firms scrambling to provide liquidity for disgruntled investors. Even supposedly sophisticated investors like hedge funds and investment banks are still reeling from billions of dollars of losses they sustained after reaching for extra yield in what they believed were highly-secure packages of subprime mortgages. Risk and return
I know that falling interest rates can make it difficult to get by for people like you and your wife who are depending on income from CDs or other fixed-income investments. But it’s important to understand that just because you need more investment income or a higher return doesn’t mean you can get it, at least not without taking on more risk. So what do I suggest you do instead of moving your money abroad? Well, normally I would recommend against relying on any one asset class, including CDs. Instead, I think it’s generally a better idea to create a diversified portfolio that would include CDs, high-quality bonds and even some stocks that can generate both current income and the potential for growth in order to maintain purchasing power in the face of inflation. But I understand that many people simply aren’t interested in pursuing this sort of strategy for any number of reasons and may prefer to stick with something they understand and feel more comfortable with, like CDs. So assuming you fall into that group, I think your best bet is to find the highest-yielding CDs you can that are also backed by FDIC insurance. This way, you may be able to get a slightly higher yield than you can find at your local bank without subjecting your money to any significant additional risk. I notice that you also talk about having “a” CD - that is, just one. When it comes time to renew your CD, you and your wife may also want to think about creating a “CD” ladder - that is, spreading your money among several CDs with progressively longer maturities, say, from six months to five years. By doing this, you’ll have some CD money coming due on a regular basis. Thus, if interest rates begin creeping up again, you’ll be able to reinvest funds from maturing CDs at prevailing higher rates. I realize that this may not be as appealing a solution as getting a fat yield on a foreign bank’s CD. But if nothing else, the mess that many investors are dealing with now shows that sometimes it’s smarter to accept a lower but secure return than shoot for a higher and riskier return that may turn out to be illusory.
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These experts here always try to scare away us from good offshore opportunities so they can make money for themselves. Offshore opportunities have been there for centuries. Off course, there’s plenty of scammers out there who does not know anything about offshore business but using the term to scam people money. You need to do your own due diligence and find some referrence before making your decision. If offshore business is only for “losing money” so why it still exist and being promoted everywhere even at attorney offices till today. Investment is taking risk anyway. If you can accept the risk, offshore may be the chance for you to explore and find the way to maximize the return of your dollar value. I took the risk to invest my money in few offshore businesses. At first, I lost money with some scam internet program but through that I met a guy from the chat room who advised me to check on a Savings and Loan from Sweden that offers nice rate of return on their CD. I took a skeptical step, tried for a minimum amount with expectation that if the fund is lost I would be fine. Once I became the client, they later provided offering through their secured page to their members only at bigger investment amount and nicer return. We even attended one of their events and met many nice, knowledgeable experts. I have been the happy camper since then without worrying about my retirement again. Actually,at this moment I am playing with only the profit that I made from their program. It took long to get here but I am happy with it. At 63 years old,I do not need much to be happy so this is more than fine. No matter what, I think you always need to do your own due diligence and start with a skeptical mind to begin with. Good luck. Posted By Peter, San Jose, California : April 16, 2008 12:41 pm
I just came into some money that is in Canadian funds (I live in the US). I opened an HSBC account both in the US and in Canada to help me bring the funds in however the Canadian account is earning higher interest than the US account and as the CAD and USD are practically the same right now I’m leaving it in Canada for now. I was also thinking of using HSBC who has banks worldwide and using their premiere services to open an account in another country whose interest is higher and whose currency is stronger than the US. I’m trying to figure out where the risk really is if I keep it with HSBC (who from everything I’ve read is a reliable and trusted bank). They also allow me to do all my transfers online from one account to another. Any advice here will be helpful. I once did have some money and was defrauded out of everything in a high risk investments. Now that I have a 2nd chance I want to take it slow and play it safe but also want to earn more than 3% on my money. Posted By Eric, Los Angeles, CA : April 12, 2008 3:07 am
Why not invest it in India? Interest rates in India are at 10% for CDs and they are going to go even higher as the govt is trying to fight inflation by increasing rates. Also the dollar is set to devalue against the Rupee so you will be getting another percentage point of return. Further India has itc version of the FDIC so bank deposits are guaranteed by the Deposit Insurance Corporation of India. Further you can use sites like Money2India or Remit2India to transfer funds to India for FREE! Heck the deal is so good it actually makes sense to borrow on your credit card at the teaser 0%-6.99% rates and invest the money in Indian CDs for 6 months and make a 3% for free. Only drawback is these deposits in India are only open to Foreigners who are of Indian origin. So you may need to have a friend open the deposit in their name for you but if you are of Indian origin or a non resident Indian this is perfect (incidentally these deposits are tax free in India as India and US have a double taxation treaty) Of course most NRIs I know are not even bothering with CDs as the Indian stock market had a 44% bull run last year so they all went for stocks but if you want CDs Indian CDs are safe and profitable. Posted By Prabuddha Austin Texas : April 8, 2008 7:31 am
I WOULD CONSIDER INVESTING IN ROYALTY TRUSTS, AVERAGE INCOME RANGES FROM 6 TO 13 PERCENT ANNUALLY AND SOME LIKE SAN JUAN BASIN ROYALTY HAS OVER 40 YEARS OF RESERVES. Posted By ROB, LACONIA NH : April 6, 2008 12:30 pm
That’s not a myth. Check your premises, and your history. First of all, all banks operate on a fractional reserve system. This is part of the reason why they need Deposit Insurance. This should tell you a little about the inherent safety of a bank. The fact that at any given time, the bank may not have money to give you. Usually that’s not the case. However, the FDIC currently has a little less than .7% of the deposits they insure. That’s a fact. It’s a sad fact, but none the less, that’s the way the system is working for us. Why is there no longer a FSLIC? Why didn’t the FDIC protect the S&Ls? Today’s banking and financial system is in serious danger. …but yes, you’ll get your money from the FDIC in a few weeks AS LONG AS they have the money. Posted By David, Elmira NY : April 4, 2008 7:39 pm
Dave is perpetuating a myth. FDIC pays within a couple weeks. Posted By Dan, Chicago : April 4, 2008 1:58 pm
Everbank.com I’ve made 20% in 7 months on a Swiss franc CD. Also own Swedish, Japanese, Norwegian and Australian currencies. And their customer service is awesome! Posted By Beth Ashley, St. Augustine, FL : April 3, 2008 10:31 pm
I nearly bought a CD in the area you mention. Then I thought it odd that CD’s were the only banking activity listed on their site. If it sounds too good to be true, could it be a Ponzi scheme? Posted By Jo G, Cornell, MI : April 3, 2008 12:44 pm
Walter, most people don’t know regulations on US Banks either. In regards to the FDIC most people don’t realize it could be 99 years to get their money back. They will be dead. Posted By Dave, Colorado : April 3, 2008 10:11 am
If you can get your money to Iran, their CD’s a producing 16% or so. It is quite unbelievable. Carefull who you trust with getting your money into the country. Posted By chris : April 3, 2008 9:30 am
Sounds like you only have one CD. Make sure you are not going above the insured limit. You may have to use several banks to insure all your money Posted By Jay, NJ : April 3, 2008 7:48 am
Remember that not all offers on the net or through advertising is what it seems, there are many scams out there to rid you of your money in a flash, be smart, do your homework and make sure the firm you send moeny off to is sound, has a solid history and really is in business and not just somebody working out of their home say in Nigeria or some remote worldly place you could never find once the money is gone. Posted By Pat Juneau AK : April 2, 2008 11:47 pm
National City Talks to Key As National City Corp. tries to dig itself out from deepening loan problems, one option is getting some unexpected consideration: turning to a neighbor for help. The big Ohio bank is considering a plan to sell itself to hometown rival KeyCorp., according to people familiar with the matter. Such a transaction would be complicated by a range of factors and is far from certain to take place. If it is to occur, the resulting combined entity could also receive a capital infusion from private-equity behemoth Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., these people said. A deal with Key is one of … Posted By A Tam, Honolulu, HI : April 2, 2008 6:57 pm
Go with offshore saving account with HSBC in Great Britain. They give 5% on just saving account. What’s the catch? You need minimum of 110K dollars to open the account. Posted By Jeff, Vacaville, CA : April 2, 2008 5:53 pm
Be advised that investing in a foreign bank also subjects you to US dollar conversion ratios. Presently, the dollar is low versus many other currencies, and when the dollar rebounds, it will effectively lower your yield. Posted By Greg Ebert, Portland OR : April 2, 2008 3:46 pm
I have found bankrate.com to be a good website to compare rates. Posted By Rob,Cincinnati,OH : April 2, 2008 2:09 pm
What about the conversion back into the dollar? What is the actual yield? Posted By ap wb pa : April 2, 2008 12:49 pm
you may want to consider euro denominated funds. That way you’ll get you returan and a little or alot extra when the euros get converted back to dollars. Posted By Anonymous : April 2, 2008 10:16 am
Look at Everbank. They offer foreign CDs that are FDIC insured. There is still currency risk, but it is a way to get the FDIC protection with the opportunity of foreign rates. Posted By Kirk Kinder Bel Air, MD : April 2, 2008 10:14 am
be careful of bonds , and dont trust bank advise, they sell nuveen bonds that are not liquid, stay with cds fdic insured only Posted By florid : April 2, 2008 9:47 am
IMO, whatever Walter suggests you do, you would be better served by doing the opposite. Posted By James, San Francisco CA : April 2, 2008 3:47 am
Would have been much more helpful if the author had addressed issues in countries with strong banking laws. New Zealand and Australia both have strong currencies and higher rates. I’d rather learn about the pros and cons (tax issues, cost of transferring funds, any legal issues, etc) than to get a lecture about risk. Because holding US$ has not been a picnic. Holding Euros in a zero interest CD would have beaten any US bank CD for the last several years. Posted By AL, SJ CA : April 2, 2008 2:59 am
FDIC, FDA, Social Security, Medicare, the U.S. Government, safe bets? Get your money out of green backs if you want to save the value of what you have. Posted By Kristina Bruce McHenry, IL : April 2, 2008 2:03 am
I am from S. Korea. I don’t believe US banking system is more regulated than others. Even though avg. 10-20 US banks a year fail I have never heard any bank failed in Korea. That tells me making a Bank sign on the main street is not as easy as US. Also as US Dollar gets weaker you can expect some more chance to get higher exchange rate on the top of higher CD rate by putting your money in other country’s banks. But try to avoid the countries heavily depend on US economy. They always go together and even some worse than here. There is a saying in Korea. If US economy starts to cough, Korean economy starts to die. Posted By Elliott, Seattle, WA : April 1, 2008 11:32 pm
As usual, Walter if right on the money. He needs to work with some of his Comtemporaries or send them back to kindergarten! Are they ever bad! There’s a blond woman that really needs help bad. Could you please work with her! Posted By Jon Morgan, Medicine Lodge, KS : April 1, 2008 9:18 pm
Be wise and stay close to home. You might want to consider investing in tax free bonds instead of CDs, I too am on disability and on a fixed income and will not invest in any type of financial institution, banks etc. in a foreign country. Being on a fixed income’ I cannot loose one cent to scammers, illusions, or false advertisements. Think before you act before it’s too late because if it seems too good to be true it probably isn’t true. Posted By Alice, Clayton, NC : April 1, 2008 7:55 pm
Like Suze Orman says in another on-line read I read today, Put your money in a stock that pays a high dividend or County Bank in Stockton, CA has 4.00% 12 month CD that just went into effect on 3/28/08. Minimum opening balance $1,000. I’m so disgusted with CD rates that don’t keep up with inflation, I just pulled a bunch of money out of a closed CD and moved it to Scottrade, where I got 3.4%, which still don’t keep up with inflation. Posted By Richard, Manteca, CA. : April 1, 2008 7:50 pm
Id does not matter if you’re getting 7-8% return if your country’s inflation rate is close to that. Posted By Moody, USA : April 1, 2008 5:43 pm
Chris is correct. I’m an expat Aussie and my parents get around 7% in a savings account. Also, the banking regulations in Australia are as good as here. Posted By Michael Brogan, Omaha, NE : April 1, 2008 4:23 pm
First of all, bank from other countries are just as good or better than U.S. bank. Chances for Bank of America to to belly up is a lot higher than HSBC. Second, keeping your money in U.S. dollar at the highest interest rate of 5% is not very wise, consider inflation is already 3% - 4%. On top of that you have to pay about 1/3 of your interest on tax. At the end you’re loosing money by saving it in U.S. dollar. Third, putting your money in a Euro CD over sea may save your money in tax and inflation, and best of all it gives you a much higher interest rate. Posted By Al, Los Angeles, CA : April 1, 2008 4:06 pm
In reference to the offshore CD’s, it would have been wise to suggest that the couple check the american bank branches located in foreign countries for a more enticing interest rate and the protection of the U.S. bank Posted By Glen R. DeCosta Oak Lawn, Illinois : April 1, 2008 3:17 pm
Like out banks are so well regulated??? Posted By shalako sacramento ca : April 1, 2008 2:37 pm
National City Bank (FDIC Insured) is currently offering a rate of 4.75 to 5.00% on 48 month CDs. Check them out for a rate that is close to what you have now. https://www.nationalcity.com/main/promotions/pages/promotions_type1.asp?WT.mc_id=bankrate100HI I agree with Walter, though. You should ladder your CDs in the future to average out swings in your interest rates and maintain a more consistant fixed income. Posted By Phil, Atlanta GA : April 1, 2008 1:54 pm
I am U.S. citizen living in Nicaragua, CD´s here yield 7-8% returns and the banking regulations are even stricter than in the U.S. Most banks are now owned by well-known U.S. banks and the returns are far better here. Posted By Adriana, Managua, Nicaragua : April 1, 2008 1:18 pm
One place I found that has high yield CD is Australia, some are going on 7-8%. Of course getting the money to Australia is a big hassle, but they probably have a version of FDIC insurance there (just guessing). There is also foreign currency risk, though it could be argued that the $US is pretty risky now. A US side possibility is insured municipal bonds. You’ll get a better rate, not FDIC insurance but still some guarantee, and the tax benefits of not having to list the interest as part of your income. Posted By Chris, Chicago, IL : April 1, 2008 12:30 pm
Go with Capital One Bank’s Online Direct Banking. You could get 4.88% with an APY of 5.00% for 7-10 years. Posted By Joseph F., Coral Springs, FL : April 1, 2008 12:26 pm
Countrywide offers some great CD rates and is FDIC insured. Let’s also not forget that it will likely end up part of Bank of America and the Fed is out there ensuring major financial institutions do not file for bankruptcy. Posted By Steve Bondi, Raleigh, NC : April 1, 2008 11:06 am
EVERBANK.COM! Posted By Dave, Phoenix, AZ : April 1, 2008 10:48 am
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